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Anonymous
Posted on 2018-06-01 07:01:46 Score: 0 (vote Up/Down) (Report as spam)
And then retards on leftypol complain about how people post furry and other anthro shit here, well if all the posts are this level of autism, its no wonder!
Anonymous
Posted on 2018-06-01 07:03:23 Score: 0 (vote Up/Down) (Report as spam)
The CNT was an over-all hodge-podge of aimlessness. They collectivized it, but without organization and it never got to run its course, which in the experience of The Ukrainian Free State ended badly. The (slight) productive rise is a pointless argument since that's the same argument used by liberals to justify the Kerensky Government.
Some Catalan Anarchists openly expressed their Fascist sympathies. After the war, Abad de Santillan had praise for Jose Antonio Primo de Rivera, founder of the Fascist Falange Espanola:
“Despite the difference which separated us, we can understand this “spiritual kinship” with Jose Antonio, who after all was a fighter and a patriot in search of solutions for his country�Spaniards of his stature, patriots such as he are not dangerous. They are not the enemy. As for changing the destiny of Spain, there had been, before July, 1936, diverse attempts to align with us. If an accord had been tactically feasible, it would have been according to the desires of his father, Primo de Rivera (dictator of Spain under the monarchy).” (Abad de Santillan, Porque Perdimos la Guerra, as quoted in Landis, pg 312.)
After the war, FAIist Abad de Santillan confessed:
“If all the leaders of the Libertarian (anarchist) organizations had ever seriously resolved to send all their armament, their war material and their best men to the front–the war would easily have been over in a few months… We can no longer conceal the fact that while, at the front itself, we had by 30,000 rifles (and perhaps as many as 24 batteries, 200 heavy guns), in the rear, in the power of the organizations, we had an additional 60,000 rifles with more ammunition than was ever in the proximity of the enemy.” (Abad de Santillan, Porque Perdimos la Guerra, Buenos Aires, 1940, pp. 67-8; quoted in Landis, pg 321.)
And guess where most of that shit came from… the USSR!
The CNT had expected aid from France and Britain, it received none.
"As week succeeded week, it became obvious that the governments of Britain and France were prepared to give nothing to the Spanish people except advice. Once Stalin was convinced of this, he declared the intention of the Soviet state to give all the help it could to the Spanish loyalists." (Cole, David M. Josef Stalin; Man of Steel. London, New York: Rich & Cowan, 1942, pg 96)
Despite all this, many CNT members found refuge in... the USSR, congratulations.
Ancomman
Posted on 2018-06-01 07:25:08 Score: 0 (vote Up/Down) (Report as spam)
>hodge podge of aimlessness
All of which is debunked here.
http://anarchism.pageabode.com/afaq/secI8.html
http://www.nestormakhno.info/english/makfaq.html
>but the USSR helped
No, the USSR gave arms to liberal republicans who agreed to help the anarchists who then betrayed them
https://www.marxist.com/spanish-revolution-betrayed.htm
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/May_Days
>CNT members found refuge in USSR
>the place which Gulag'd anarchists
>this is what tankies believe
Good luck with your damage control
Anonymous
Posted on 2018-06-01 07:45:53 Score: 0 (vote Up/Down) (Report as spam)
>CNT members found refuge in USSR
>the place which Gulag'd anarchists
They Gulag'd anarchists who kept fucking with them like little shits. Also being so retarded as to actually believe the Gulag meme.
Grover Furr's analysis of "Spain Betrayed" https://clogic.eserver.org/2003/furr
The CNT did just as much horrid shit. Ex. CNT Nun Corpses
https://libcom.org/forums/theory/prison-labor-camps-during-spanish-revolution-your-opinions-05102011
http://libcom.org/history/revolution-back-agenda-mark-kosman
In addition to that the Trots kept bickering with the MLs and further undermining the unity until they told them to fuck off.
https://www.marxists.org/history/etol/document/spain/spain07c.htm
The USSR and ML communists worked with the petty bourgeoisie for the same reason they tried to work with the anarchists and Trots, Together we stand, Divided we fall, antagonizing more people than necessary is counter-productive, and considering the experience of the Post-revolutionary period in Russia, they knew well that immediate communism is unrealistic because the people are not ready, that's why the NEP occurred, the people were too uneducated to give up irrational possessiveness and work in stateless communes. The same went for the CNT, except in the USSR they accepted this in return for remaining uncollapsed and strong enough to resist invasion and then initiated it after they had gotten themselves breathing room.
The USSR could not afford to throw around resources and it was 5x further away from Spain than Germany.
"In his conduct of foreign policy, Stalin showed great caution, restraint, and realism. He needed time to build up Russia’s industries and military strength. He was constantly provoked in the east and west, and in ways that must have infuriated him, but he never lost sight of the overriding need to delay the outbreak of war as long as possible. It was for this reason that he placed the greatest emphasis on peace and disarmament in world affairs." (Grey, Ian. Stalin, Man of History. London: Weidenfeld and Nicolson, 1979, pg 296)
Anarchism: results are small to none
Soviet socialism: inspired revolutions world-wide, and economically rivaled the USA as the only other world super-power.
Anonymous
Posted on 2018-06-01 07:51:27 Score: 0 (vote Up/Down) (Report as spam)
http://www.isreview.org/issues/53/makhno.shtml
http://www.icl-fi.org/english/wv...site/2005/Makhno-839.html
http://www.marxist.com/who-was-makhno-and-what-did-he-stand-for.htm
FinnishBolshevik literally did a series debunking this shit:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZiSM8SkE4mo
https://www.reddit.com/r/communism/comments/64wkgf/polemic_the_anarchokulak_bandits_of_russia_and/
Anonymous
Posted on 2018-06-01 07:54:00 Score: 0 (vote Up/Down) (Report as spam)
The Cossaks started out as bandits and frankly that's who they originally were. They became a force similar to the privateers of Malta and Algiers, given the freedom to do whatever they liked as long as it served the Czar.
You really don't know diddly about Russia do you?
The Free State was originally White Russian and used the old serf system, Mahno had helped to free it with the Red Army, but as the system flew out of control he started doing the same shit.
Posted on 2018-06-01 07:00:15 by Ancomman
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Anonymous
Posted on 2018-06-01 07:01:46 Score: 0 (vote Up/Down) (Report as spam)
And then retards on leftypol complain about how people post furry and other anthro shit here, well if all the posts are this level of autism, its no wonder!
Anonymous
Posted on 2018-06-01 07:03:23 Score: 0 (vote Up/Down) (Report as spam)
The CNT was an over-all hodge-podge of aimlessness. They collectivized it, but without organization and it never got to run its course, which in the experience of The Ukrainian Free State ended badly. The (slight) productive rise is a pointless argument since that's the same argument used by liberals to justify the Kerensky Government.
Some Catalan Anarchists openly expressed their Fascist sympathies. After the war, Abad de Santillan had praise for Jose Antonio Primo de Rivera, founder of the Fascist Falange Espanola:
“Despite the difference which separated us, we can understand this “spiritual kinship” with Jose Antonio, who after all was a fighter and a patriot in search of solutions for his country�Spaniards of his stature, patriots such as he are not dangerous. They are not the enemy. As for changing the destiny of Spain, there had been, before July, 1936, diverse attempts to align with us. If an accord had been tactically feasible, it would have been according to the desires of his father, Primo de Rivera (dictator of Spain under the monarchy).” (Abad de Santillan, Porque Perdimos la Guerra, as quoted in Landis, pg 312.)
After the war, FAIist Abad de Santillan confessed:
“If all the leaders of the Libertarian (anarchist) organizations had ever seriously resolved to send all their armament, their war material and their best men to the front–the war would easily have been over in a few months… We can no longer conceal the fact that while, at the front itself, we had by 30,000 rifles (and perhaps as many as 24 batteries, 200 heavy guns), in the rear, in the power of the organizations, we had an additional 60,000 rifles with more ammunition than was ever in the proximity of the enemy.” (Abad de Santillan, Porque Perdimos la Guerra, Buenos Aires, 1940, pp. 67-8; quoted in Landis, pg 321.)
And guess where most of that shit came from… the USSR!
The CNT had expected aid from France and Britain, it received none.
"As week succeeded week, it became obvious that the governments of Britain and France were prepared to give nothing to the Spanish people except advice. Once Stalin was convinced of this, he declared the intention of the Soviet state to give all the help it could to the Spanish loyalists." (Cole, David M. Josef Stalin; Man of Steel. London, New York: Rich & Cowan, 1942, pg 96)
Despite all this, many CNT members found refuge in... the USSR, congratulations.
Ancomman
Posted on 2018-06-01 07:25:08 Score: 0 (vote Up/Down) (Report as spam)
>hodge podge of aimlessness
All of which is debunked here.
http://anarchism.pageabode.com/afaq/secI8.html
http://www.nestormakhno.info/english/makfaq.html
>but the USSR helped
No, the USSR gave arms to liberal republicans who agreed to help the anarchists who then betrayed them
https://www.marxist.com/spanish-revolution-betrayed.htm
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/May_Days
>CNT members found refuge in USSR
>the place which Gulag'd anarchists
>this is what tankies believe
Good luck with your damage control
Anonymous
Posted on 2018-06-01 07:45:53 Score: 0 (vote Up/Down) (Report as spam)
>CNT members found refuge in USSR
>the place which Gulag'd anarchists
They Gulag'd anarchists who kept fucking with them like little shits. Also being so retarded as to actually believe the Gulag meme.
Grover Furr's analysis of "Spain Betrayed" https://clogic.eserver.org/2003/furr
The CNT did just as much horrid shit. Ex. CNT Nun Corpses
https://libcom.org/forums/theory/prison-labor-camps-during-spanish-revolution-your-opinions-05102011
http://libcom.org/history/revolution-back-agenda-mark-kosman
In addition to that the Trots kept bickering with the MLs and further undermining the unity until they told them to fuck off.
https://www.marxists.org/history/etol/document/spain/spain07c.htm
The USSR and ML communists worked with the petty bourgeoisie for the same reason they tried to work with the anarchists and Trots, Together we stand, Divided we fall, antagonizing more people than necessary is counter-productive, and considering the experience of the Post-revolutionary period in Russia, they knew well that immediate communism is unrealistic because the people are not ready, that's why the NEP occurred, the people were too uneducated to give up irrational possessiveness and work in stateless communes. The same went for the CNT, except in the USSR they accepted this in return for remaining uncollapsed and strong enough to resist invasion and then initiated it after they had gotten themselves breathing room.
The USSR could not afford to throw around resources and it was 5x further away from Spain than Germany.
"In his conduct of foreign policy, Stalin showed great caution, restraint, and realism. He needed time to build up Russia’s industries and military strength. He was constantly provoked in the east and west, and in ways that must have infuriated him, but he never lost sight of the overriding need to delay the outbreak of war as long as possible. It was for this reason that he placed the greatest emphasis on peace and disarmament in world affairs." (Grey, Ian. Stalin, Man of History. London: Weidenfeld and Nicolson, 1979, pg 296)
Anarchism: results are small to none
Soviet socialism: inspired revolutions world-wide, and economically rivaled the USA as the only other world super-power.
Anonymous
Posted on 2018-06-01 07:51:27 Score: 0 (vote Up/Down) (Report as spam)
http://www.isreview.org/issues/53/makhno.shtml
http://www.icl-fi.org/english/wv...site/2005/Makhno-839.html
http://www.marxist.com/who-was-makhno-and-what-did-he-stand-for.htm
FinnishBolshevik literally did a series debunking this shit:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZiSM8SkE4mo
https://www.reddit.com/r/communism/comments/64wkgf/polemic_the_anarchokulak_bandits_of_russia_and/
Anonymous
Posted on 2018-06-01 07:54:00 Score: 0 (vote Up/Down) (Report as spam)
The Cossaks started out as bandits and frankly that's who they originally were. They became a force similar to the privateers of Malta and Algiers, given the freedom to do whatever they liked as long as it served the Czar.
You really don't know diddly about Russia do you?
The Free State was originally White Russian and used the old serf system, Mahno had helped to free it with the Red Army, but as the system flew out of control he started doing the same shit.
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